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Brian Nick: Time To Short Gold
Written by Lara Crigger   
February 05, 2010 9:42 am EST

 

It's a hard time to be a gold bug. At $1,049/oz, the yellow metal is currently trading way off its lofty highs of December 2009. And it could have even further to fall, says Brian Nick.

Nick is an investment strategist with Barclays Wealth, a leading global wealth management firm with more than $220 billion in assets under management worldwide. In its latest investment call, the firm took a decidedly bearish view on gold, advising investors to short the metal, which had become "significantly overvalued relative to fundamentals."

Recently HAI Associate Editor Lara Crigger chatted with Nick about the bearish outlook for gold, including how ETFs have changed the metal's demand picture, why we're not headed toward inflation and what's gold's real fair value.

 

Lara Crigger, associate editor, HardAssetsInvestor.com (Crigger): In a recent investment call, you advised investors to short gold. Why?

Brian Nick, investment strategist, Barclays Wealth (Nick): Now is a good time to short gold, but probably a better time to short gold would have been back in November, when it was $200/oz higher.

We think that the run-up in gold was overstated, and we don't think the reasons for it were sound. We think that a lot of the fear driving people to invest in gold has to do with the devaluation of the U.S. dollar, interest rates in the U.S. staying too low for too long, worries about inflation and the U.S. debt, and so on. With all that tied together, people flocked to gold as a store of value. But when you look at the fundamentals, this doesn't seem like an environment where gold should do well.

Crigger: How so?

Nick: If you look at inflation, you see inflation's actually quite low; core inflation is actually decreasing. So we don't have an inflation problem here. Plus, we have 10 percent unemployment and a large output gap still in the economy. So those three things taken together would dictate that the Federal Reserve should be cutting rates to well below zero, probably something like -4 or -5 percent, which obviously they can't do.

So the fact that they're at zero, as contradictory as this may sound, that's actually a relatively restrictive stance at the moment. That's one of the reasons why they took extra measures: because they knew that they had a lower bound of zero, and they needed to do other things to increase the money supply, to get economic activity moving again.

Crigger: That's contrary to a lot of what you hear, with people saying these extra low interest rates are very bad for the economy, even a setup for future inflation. So are we facing inflation in the future?

Nick: No, we don't think we are. Look at virtually any other market where you'd see signs that people were worried about inflation, and they don't exist anywhere except the gold market. Look at TIPS, for example, which should tend to outperform by quite a bit when people are worried about inflation, as breakevens between them and Treasurys rise. But you aren't really seeing that. Today you're seeing a sharp contraction in breakevens. They've been pretty stable for the past three or four months, and they're really only at average levels historically. So there's no inflation premium in that market.

If you look at the U.S. Treasury market, the 10-year rate is now at 3.6 percent, which is extraordinarily low. If there were really concerns about inflation on the horizon, we think the bond market would be reacting. But as it stands, it seems only gold is really pricing in a severe inflation scenario.

Frankly, if you were worried about inflation, there are cheaper ways to express that view, whether by buying TIPS or shorting a Treasury. It's cheaper than entering the gold market right now.

Crigger: On average, gold prices have gone up for the past nine years. Will this trend continue in 2010?

Nick: We certainly don't see it going up in 2010, just because of the significant overvalue relative to where it should be and where its historical average is.

One of the reasons gold tends to go up has to do with the credibility of monetary policy, and the credibility of the Federal Reserve. For a lot of the past 10 years, as you hear a lot of critics saying these days, the Fed kept interest rates fairly low, probably lower than they absolutely needed to, especially in 2003-2004. That's credited with a lot of the bubble in asset prices that we saw pop in 2008.

So we would expect gold to do well if the Fed were being overly accommodating, which, probably for most of the past decade, we think it was. But right now, we don't think it is. So we would have expected to see a sharp reversal in the gold price back down somewhere below its long-term average, between $700-800/oz. But instead we saw the opposite: We saw gold continue to appreciate. And we think that is the result of a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of signals we're seeing from the Federal Reserve, signals we're seeing from economic data. It's due for a correction.



 

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Comments (50)

 Sunday, 07 February 2010 12:47 EST - Posted by Rob S.

 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! im buying gold as a wealth preservation ACT not as a "inflation headge" its protection against ALL failing paper currencies......Tangibles....period

 Sunday, 07 February 2010 20:52 EST - Posted by Royce

 
Behold a fool. This man and anyone who follows his advice will get exactly what an idiot deserves. When gold hits 700 I'll write to apologize for calling you moron or shill. When gold hits 7000 please write and apologize to me. You need to go back to economics school. How can a man like this get print? Pure stupidity from a fool or payed shill.

 Sunday, 07 February 2010 22:57 EST - Posted by tyler

 
Its weird I found this article linked on a website called dollar collapse. I've been noticing a lot lately with gold falling the gold sites have a lot of anti gold articles linked. On gatas website they have an essay about how inflation wont happen. Well see whose right five to ten years from now. Theyre not gonna sway me from investing in silver, gold and food. All these hacks would definitly be accepted at cnbc.

 Sunday, 07 February 2010 23:19 EST - Posted by Royce

 
This simpleton says something in the first paragraph like "Gold is well below its recent high" What he fails to mention is that high is well ABOVE its '08 high, which is well above its '07 high, which is well above its '06 high, which is well above its '05 high, which is (well, you get the picture dear reader). Let me suggest that even if the fixed COMEX price per oz did actually fall to 700 you'de encounter 300 dollar premiums trying to buy physical. Behold an "Art Laffer" level imbecile. Sorry to be so rude, but men like this , at a time like this, are dangerous to your survival.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 9:23 EST - Posted by Fox

 
The Barclays guy has no clue what he is talking about - well, he is obviously just talking his book. Must be a young guy who can't think long term. Investment demand has taken over in gold, right, and that's a sea change - not a short term abberation. And even from a real interest rate pespective gold is darn attractive as long as the Fed has a zero interest rate policy in effect. Quiz: when will that policy change? Answer: it cannot change substantially or else the U.S. govt will go bk due to a prohibitive interest burden. yes, go ahead, short gold to "make" 300$ from a correction (it could certainly hit 700-800$). And miss out on the long term trend towards 2000, 3000, 5000$/oz. Good advice from a company managing 200bn. LOL

 Monday, 08 February 2010 9:24 EST - Posted by Daniel

 
Brian, Your a fool as only a fool could think that the dollar can survive the spending burden that this AND the bush administration has put on the american people and the dollar. We cannot possibly pay our way out of this, therefore the dollar is doomed as soon as it is no longer pegged with oil which will happen in my opinion. Why would china be secretly hoarding gold with their hot economy, if they were not worried.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 9:35 EST - Posted by LQ

 
Gold is not a bet on price inflation (CPI-U) and the like. A bet on CPI-U would be (i.e., long TIPs and short fixed-rate Treasuries). Gold is a bet on monetary base inflation. To reserve the current US monetary base, the gold/dollar exchange rate would need to approximate $8000/ounce given the reported stock of US offical gold holdings.

US (and global) monetary base inflation has been more extreme than at any point in modern history. Brian Nick is not a fool, he's just lacks a healthy understanding of monetary economics and history. He's in large majority of market analysts and commentators on that score.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 9:48 EST - Posted by Dr Papp Ernoene

 
Utter nonsense!
The gold price in NY has nothing to do with the real gold price. And we all know that. It well may be, that JP Morgan et al will sell out more gold in order to be able to cover their vast amount of short gold contracts!
This is a main reason, why they manipulate the gold market just now.
Therefore I would not give much attention to the present gold and silver price.
This sell out may be continuing for a while, but after they have covered all their short positions, and they are in the long side, there is a good chance, that gold can be traded again at fair prices. I would suggest you listen to Ted Butler on King World News every week! He gives e very good insight of what is going on in the precious metal market.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 9:50 EST - Posted by PM

 
What stunningly misguided opinion, from someone who manages so much 'wealth'. Nothing wrong with trading gold from the short side if you have good reason to, good risk management etc. But this guy appears to have no grasp of what inflation is (hint: monetary), what people hold gold for (hint: debasement, counterparty risk) and what the upside risks to price are (hint: what is "fair value" for the USD, or EUR, JPY, GBP in gold terms).

 Monday, 08 February 2010 10:26 EST - Posted by jim white

 
we have seen the price of gold fall many times only to rebound and go higher. this is the way large commercials buy what they want at a cheap price. right now the trend in gold has turned down and buying opportunities abound. In trading it doesnt matter about fundamentals or anything else it only matters as what the mkt actually does will we see lower price i think so because of the great market manipulation of the central banks. However, in the long run gold will prevail.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 11:07 EST - Posted by Dr. Papp Ernoene

 
Dear Brian,

Where can I buy from you physical gold for USD 700/OZ tomorrow? Please give me a time in your busy schedule, and I will fly at once to the Staates from Europe to buy at least 1000 Oz of physical gold from you. Please 1 OZ American Eagles, or Buffalos!!
This would be the best deal of my life, and even Mr. Poulson would envy me!
Best regards and thanks for your very generous offer

 Monday, 08 February 2010 11:39 EST - Posted by Doc Franklin

 
As deflation sets in, the Treasury will send more paper into system to counteract the one thing that governments cannot deal with. Look at Japan, deflation for over 10 years but check the price of gold in yen over the same time frame. TIPS are not really a reliable indicator as they are a fiat asset with a horrible rate of return. Simply examine the TIPS total rate of return over the past 2 years, maybe a total of 8% as the USD lost over 40% of its' purchasing power. If the US debt was paid in gold (which foreign nations may demand soon), assuming the 8133 tonnes exist, gold would have to be priced at roughly $38,000/oz to cover. Most big banks talk down gold for one reason, they have a huge illegal position in the metal because the CFTC has failed to enforce the law. China talks it down because they want it as cheap as possible to accomplish their goal of obtaining 12,000 tonnes over the nest 36-60 months. I of course could be wrong, but I'd rather hold the hard stuff rather than the paper crap backed by nothing but debt.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 11:54 EST - Posted by forecast

 
I think what he said might be true. My long-term system already showed to me since end of 2009 DON'T BUY GOLD.

If he explained using fundamental and he suggest not to buy gold then my technical long term analysis (monthly chart) also said so (Don't Buy Gold Yet).

Thank you.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 11:58 EST - Posted by pietro

 
Perhaps, Brian you are a "martian" who fails to recognize that you have it UPSIDE DOWN!
The percentage of the the world population that is actively invested in GOLD is infintestmal.
Please return to planet Earth and purchase some real money...you won't believe the results!

 Monday, 08 February 2010 14:27 EST - Posted by Janina

 
I guess we do have aliens on earth! You simply have to be from another planet to make the comments Brian Nick made in his interview! For those of you with your feet firmly planted on earth------continue to buy gold.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 15:32 EST - Posted by Psychocarp

 
All you guys above hit it straight on with your economic assessments. What put up a red flag for me was in his 2nd paragraph this Critter guy says core inflation is decreasing. Well maybe the stuff you put in your gas tank is hovering on hold for now, but the stuff we humans put in our body tanks (stomachs) sure isn't. Groceries - the biggest monthly expense for any human - are escalating big time. This is also affecting restaurant prices. And it's hurting a lot of people. And I see no reversal either. Apparently this guy doesn't eat food - how could he miss this? So maybe he is an alien.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 15:50 EST - Posted by Lara Crigger

 
"What put up a red flag for me was in his 2nd paragraph this Critter guy says core inflation is decreasing."

This "Critter" guy is actually Lara Crigger. And I never said core inflation was decreasing -- those were Brian's words.

I'm so glad to see so many of you post your opinions on the future of gold -- thanks everyone for your comments. Any suggestions on who we should interview next?

 Monday, 08 February 2010 16:11 EST - Posted by Dr. Papp Ernoene

 
I would suggest Mr. Ted Butler, Mr. Doug Casey,
and of course Mr. Ron Paul and maybe Mr. Volcker.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 19:46 EST - Posted by PAUL FRANCESBET

 
THIS SAME PUNDIT WAS TELLING YOU 2 YEARS AGO - NOT TO BUY GOLD YET - NOT NECESSARY. PAID SHILL ..... OR DA WON'T MATTER ... CURRENCY IS GOING TO H E L L in a handbaske and pretty quick. ISRAEL IS FORCED TO BOMB IRAN, AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO CALL AND SAY THEY'RE MOVING BACK IN WITH Y O U !!
GOLD OR GRIEF ... your future is THE RAPTURE

 Monday, 08 February 2010 20:00 EST - Posted by larry

 
with an uncontroled printing press and excessive gov.. debt, buy gold...

 Monday, 08 February 2010 20:16 EST - Posted by Bradley Beyer

 
I like the first paragraph about fear driving people into Gold and the rest. I gave up reading the rest for the most part when he stated the Fundamentals do not support the Gold Price. Now this guy must have been sleeping under a rock for the past three years. Gold is way undervalued yet and also silver. He states that "people" are investing in gold due to fear. Well the Central Banks are the first to be investing in Gold (India, Russia, China, etc.) in a long time. Most people have not even started to invest. What is his defintion of "people". Nobody I know has even thought about it...they even laugh at me yet. Only a very small percentage are waking up to this hyperinflation that is coming. How can fake money inspire anything positive for the economy. The people are going to wake up soon to this fiasco and Gold and Silver will rule as money soon.

 Monday, 08 February 2010 20:42 EST - Posted by Bradley Beyer

 
I also suggest Jason Hommel, Jim Sinclair,
Richard Russell, Gerald Celente, The Mogambo Guru, Miles Franklin newsletter, David Morgan, James R. Cook, the GATA website (free updates full of information),and Dr. Jeff Lewis. Just a few very smart people us average guys should be listenning to. I take every word they say seriously and make my decisions accordingly. We all need mentors and these guys are the best!!

 Monday, 08 February 2010 21:00 EST - Posted by Lara Crigger

 
Thanks for the suggestions. We've spoken with David Morgan, Bill Murphy from GATA and Ted Butler before, but I'll see what I can do about perhaps setting up interviews with a few of the other suggestions here. Thanks!

 Monday, 08 February 2010 22:36 EST - Posted by tyler

 
Thanks to this website for communicating with us and asking for suggestions. I like to get all perspectives on anything. Unfortunately this guy in this article had no facts on his side and really seemed like he was in the wrong business. Were in the bull market of all time and its been going on for years if he can't see that then he really is pathetic. The interview I would most like to read is Jason Hommel. Unfortuanetly the gold sites I go to probably won't link to it since he mostly talks about silver. If you haven't interviewed him you should. Thanks.

 Tuesday, 09 February 2010 1:52 EST - Posted by Bill Goode

 
All $220 billion this fellow has invested is undoubtedly in paper. He doesn't know anything about gold. Gold does not go up or down in value. The value of gold remains constant. It's the dollar or Euro or Yen that are all just paper, which he invests in. He doesn't know anything about the hard stuff. Silver might be a better buy than gold, but get out of that paper, whether it's in dollars, Euros, Yen, stocks, bonds or what have you. When the dollar goes to zero, all you will have is paper. But if you are in gold or silver, you still have value. Gold & silver have never been at zero value in thousands of years. Paper money has gone to zero many times.

 Tuesday, 09 February 2010 2:53 EST - Posted by gerrysweet

 
I think this guy is a paid shill of the four
major shorts in gold namely, goldman, jp morgan, hsbc and citi.

 Tuesday, 09 February 2010 3:57 EST - Posted by Steven Kambouris

 
Well, I won't be adding much to this chain, as just about everyone else seems to have identified the faulty assumptions this guy has used to prop up this rediculous mindset. Will Gold have a short-term correction? I think so. But to say it won't hit 2,000 per/oz within 3-5 years, or even 10, is self-delusion at the least. This man having a venue to spew this idiocy is sad, but also serves to show one of two things: either 1) He is in denial of the historical results of countries attempting to monetize their debt, or 2) He is a paid voice box for groups and corporations with a vested interest as stated above by gerrysweet.

 Tuesday, 09 February 2010 9:29 EST - Posted by Silver Dollar Coins

 
I think Nick is a shill. As soon as I started reading, at first I thought he was an idiot, but then I think he is purposely talking gold down. He only likes his paper "assets" so the environment he presents favors only paper. To do that, then hard stuff must go down, hence his article. TIPS, he says? Give me a break! These are paper for one. Not only that, they are US Treasuries...Not only that, they are tied to the CPI which is a false indicator, manipulated by the government. Not only that, but the government can stop paying on these whenever they feel like it. Gold is subject to no such shenanigans.

 Tuesday, 09 February 2010 11:32 EST - Posted by Richard Thompson

 
I don't know what the price of gold is going to be. I've been buying for 10 years and at no time did I know what the price of gold would be. I bought gold for insurance, to protect my buying power. I work hard at investing. As hard as I work at it, I have not been able to match gold's results. My worthless opinion is that with competitive devaluation going on globally that investors with excess currency are placing a portion of their assets in gold. And that is all it takes to sustain the price of gold.

 Tuesday, 09 February 2010 23:27 EST - Posted by Robert

 
I appreciate the interview. I think it is important to get opinions from all sides. Just because this particular person seems to have a much different opinion than the majority of your readers does not mean that should discourage you from similar interviews in the future.

Personally, I enjoy hearing from the other side very much. If they present a valid point, it benefits me in allowing me to rethink my current outlook. If they are shouting short gold, yet present an argument that is utterly vapid to me, it does nothing to discourage my position.

I would much rather frequent a site that routinely reports on all side of the spectrum, rather than just repeating how awesome buying gold is. I actually feel more comfortable in my position of being long gold, knowing just how confused and weak the opposing side's viewpoint is.

 Wednesday, 10 February 2010 13:47 EST - Posted by M Paul Curtis

 
I THINK THAT THIS IS SO MUCH SPOUTING OF A POSITION DEFENCE. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT COMES FROM A BIASED OPINION. THERE IS SO MUCH TO CONDITIONS OF THE MARKET TO INDICATE THAT GOLD WILL LONG ENDURE,ESPECIALLY SINCE COMING THRU THE GREATEST RECESSION SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, I THINK I'LL STAY WITH GOLD,

 Wednesday, 10 February 2010 23:34 EST - Posted by ACEMAN

 
Yall must think that Mr Nick is a grand fool by the beatin' he's getting from y'all. Maybe he is, but he just might be a sly fool. In the South we have an expression "tall trees don't grow to the sky," and it's a wonderful expression of pratical purpose which y'all might think about once or twice in y'alls lifetime. Just remember as a general rule it is foolish to do just what other people are doing in investing, because there are almost sure to be too many people doing the same thing. Me, well I'm buying mining and uranium companies in Malaysia and Mongolia, I might evem buy me a Yhurt to sleep in and get me a camel to make the trek across the South Gobi when y'alls is shootin' at each other trying to confiscate y'alls gold. Time for the Cafe du Monde before I heads east, realfar east.

 Saturday, 13 February 2010 3:38 EST - Posted by Stupid Russian from Los Ageles

 
The Guy does not take in consideration :
1.US does not have enough power anymore to suppress price of gold.
2.The wealth of global population is growing fast(China,India ,Russia,Vietnam etc,etc)therefore amount of individual investors who addicted to gold are growing faster than gold supply.
3.Global capitalism with fiat currencies read inflational policies are the only up vector for gold prices.
4.Global bad reccession is bakground for tensions,wars,riots

 Saturday, 13 February 2010 14:03 EST - Posted by truman

 
Guys look at how many of your comments are bullish on gold. Shouldn't that tell you something as an investor?
Gold has been at historic highs. It is now 200 bucks below that.
Remember this is not buy and hold anymore. The wall street boys conned us for years with that one. Anyone that buys and holds stocks or gold will get burned for years.
Gold is flowing into storage as people sell their gold. nobody is buying jewelry at these prices they are selling it.
As soon as the Central banks decide the price is right to fund the third world countries and whatever debts they need to cover they will sell.
Gold can still get to 800 and be in a bull market. I suspect that when it rattles around 800 it will finish the ride down to 400 bucks. Do you really want to risk your money to 800 and possibly lower? Be smart get out and wait to see if 800 holds. then get back in. Be smart. Remember years ago at 800 they were calling for 1000. Gold crashed for years. Cash is king. The dx is moving up. Sell gold, sell gold.
Remember when Dubai came up as a crises at Thanksgiving? Gold plunged. It should have gone up. Dubai is coming back again it will not go away and gold will plunge again. so much for disaster hedging.

 Sunday, 14 February 2010 14:12 EST - Posted by RubenCLeon

 
Does anyone remember when Prime+3 was over 20% and 10% was the floor? Fow about $0.19 petrol, $0.19 smokes, $0.19 milk quarts, $0.19 sugar pounds or a brand new 2 bedroom condo a mile from the beach in California for $19K and the 1,000 DOW "barrier"? Guns & Butter devalued the USD by 90% and another 90% devaluation is already in the works. Not with a collapse, but the same way as before...slowly. The mortgage market will be "saved" when the $500K homes that are now at $250K are selling at $1MM or $2MM. Using colored beads, sea shells, USD's or gold only matters if you put all your eggs in one basket.

 Sunday, 14 February 2010 15:43 EST - Posted by Jeff Donlin

 
So gold is the only market showing signs of inflation? Last time I checked oil was considered to be its own market. I guess that the long term average ppb going from $15 to over $60 in one decade is not inflationary. What a chump. Inflation is and will always be an increase in the money supply beyond that which is justified by increasing productivity. As the crisis drags on people will eventually lose faith in the inflation sponge that is government debt because of never ending monetization. All this money flowing out of Gov't debt will be looking to buy "store of value" assets. Hello gold and silver!

 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 14:25 EST - Posted by angel

 
How could gold be considered just as an inflation hedge,It is an insurance against uncontrolled government spending and money printing .On the other hand it is quite premature to talk about lack of inflation,when you see the monetary base growing with no limit,there is little doubt about an inflationary outcome on its way.About the lack of demand,let me know why the price continues to rise despite lack of demand from countries like India,I think the gold market has changed dramatically and there is no way to assess the demand supply balance just like it was some years ago,the big demand comes from investors willing to protect their assets,and that current role for gold is undeniable.

 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:05 EST - Posted by Silver Dollar Coins

 
"Guys look at how many of your comments are bullish on gold. Shouldn't that tell you something as an investor?" -truman

100 people does not a market make. The general public is still not invested in gold, outside of the small group of smart money folk that posts on this blog.

"Gold has been at historic highs. It is now 200 bucks below that."

Gold is not, as was never, at historic highs. You failed to adjust for any inflation, which would "historically" make it around $2,300/oz. It would be even more than that if you go back to when gold was fixed to $35/oz., and then suddenly allowed to float.

"Remember years ago at 800 they were calling for 1000. Gold crashed for years." -truman

The top was in, at the time, after a fantasic parabolic rise. We are no where near that point in the cycle this time. Once we get there, then and only then, will it be time to sell gold.

 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:32 EST - Posted by tyler

 
Of course people are going to be bullish on gold at this site its called hard asset investor. Like the last post said go to the majority of people and they'll look at you like your crazy to invest in gold. My stockbroker basically told me that.

 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:41 EST - Posted by angel

 
Gold will continue to go up just because paper money that suppose to be a store of value completely failed to be a store of value.That simple reason makes gold an asset to be own as a way to preserve your portfolio from government insanity around the world.Good luck to Nick shorting gold.I wouldn't bet against gold despite any short term correction

 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 16:19 EST - Posted by tyler

 
Hows that short working out for you nick?

 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 16:33 EST - Posted by RubenCLeon

 
The price of a commodity relative to other commodities always varies from commodity to commodity, but the aggregate devaluation of the dollar from the time gold ownership was re-legalized in the US, please correct me if I;m wrong, has been bewtwee 90% & 95%. The $0.19 loaf of bread is now $1.90 to $3.80, the $19K condo is between $190K & $380K etc etc. Sfould gold be at $350, $700, $1,050 or $1,400 relative to the aggregate? We all thought the world would end when petrol went to $0.49, but we were also in long lines and happy to pay it. When bread is $19/loaf & gas is $19/gallon, what will gold be?

 Tuesday, 23 February 2010 10:39 EST - Posted by Richard

 
Gold is up more than 3000% from USA's official deal/value under Bretton Woods, which failed in 1971 with the USA’s exit from this agreement. That should speak volumes about the dollar's value as junk as well as all other fiat currencies.

Gold as a store of value for national governments has totally evaporated, shouldn't that be scary?? The USA, if it still really has the largest holding of Gold in the world, can only cover just about 1/5th of its 2010 deficit at gold's current pricing. This tells me that un-backed currencies, monetization, electronic zeros, phony accounting, and financial smoke and mirrors are all that supports today's fiat money. The confidence game continues as does the blind faith in Banksters and Central Governments. Shouldn't this message be a cardiac arrest situation for any informed investors?? I liked Monopoly Money when I was a kid, but it was worthless then and its value was only a game...sort of like now???

 Tuesday, 23 February 2010 11:04 EST - Posted by Richard

 
It all remains manipulative noise to me, let's keep the passengers happy on the Titanic in spite of the gaping hole it its hull and the limited number of available life boats. The 'confidence game' continues and the mirror still swirls with opaque smoke.

Gold held by Central Banks or any Government at its current price, is now a worthless weapon against the debt monster from the Id, it has no 'juju'. Electronic money, colored paper and cotton lint remain the dominant forces, but it now appears that there is not even enough of that stuff to save us from financial disaster. Is this Monopoly game almost over? Can we now go back to knowing it was only a creation of the Fed based upon their knowledge of how well Milton Bradley did with this creation?

The last article I read, the USA Treasury Auction was a disaster (reason for Fed's recent nudge to an interest rate) and we are up to $ 112 billion dollars of required borrowing a week, with the Fed still buying some of this funny money to keep this ship-of-fools afloat. Remember when Exxon made $ 10 billion of profit in 1 quarter and that was considere obscene. If $ 10 billion in 3 months is obscene, what word is used to describe a habit requiring $ 112 billion dollar per week? Insanity, Bankruptcy and Broke crosses my mind.

Debt solutions, where are they? However, we do know what real money is and it ain't the 'Fiat' stuff. Quadrillion is the next stop for keeping track of money. When I was a kid there was the Million Dollar Movie, but we all know that this amount now won't even start a cinema project today.

 Sunday, 28 February 2010 14:55 EST - Posted by steve

 
I believe that the artical is a ploy. I am curios as to why all the "sell your old gold jewry" ad's, if something was'nt ging on.

 Sunday, 07 March 2010 9:58 EST - Posted by CrisisMaven

 
A bubble in, say, shares, stocks or commodities happens when people believe it will "go up and up" (and is, as a rule, as with housing recently and "tech" stocks at the beginning of the millenium, again mainly driven by money inflation). Gold in contrast is a hedge against inflation and against looming sovereign defaults. Inflation by definition is the increase in money supply. There's no doubt that this has happened several fold in only two years. So there is inflation. Hence there is no gold bubble, as gold has not appreciated by a tenth even of what the monetary base has expanded!

 Sunday, 07 March 2010 11:06 EST - Posted by RubenCLeon

 
This board reminds me of the birds that follow the anchovies. My best estimate is that $780B evaporated on Feb 14 2008 (the media says it was "only" $330B) because confidence evaporated when a couple of the largest players did not bid on the "Auction Rate Securities" for that day. UBS, just one of the hubdreds of ARS broker-dealers just announced (Mar 4, 2010) a supplemental agreement to relieve non-institutional investors who were not part of the $18.6B settlement in Aug 2008 that included a total of $150M in fines. It's hard to imagine the greenback becoming "illiquid" so you may want to read up on the Trillion Dollar scam that makes Madhoff look like small taters. Why were the big boys afraid of the credit markets "freezing-up" in Oct 2008? Was it because 3% or 5% or even 10% of the people in one country were unable to make their monthly mortgage payments, or were they already hip-deep in a much bigger crisis?

 Sunday, 07 March 2010 14:25 EST - Posted by cowboy

 
No economy has survived the debasement of it's currency. The timeline is unpredictable. Even the Wiemar Republic got away with it for a couple of years. With our enormous appetite for dollars and the manner which we are dealing with our debt issue, imo it is only a matter of time before the amount of dollars in circulation will overwhelm the ability of the PTB to sell short into the comex. I wouldn't sell gold.

 Tuesday, 09 March 2010 20:55 EST - Posted by Ron Hughes

 
Nick, your reasoning has it that if the Fed keeps printing dollars & our politicians keep spending us into bankruptancy, gold is headed for below the original set price of $20.00. OK, now I'm with you - I'm going to short gold.

 Tuesday, 03 August 2010 12:21 EST - Posted by JBurns

 
So Brian, It's now 8-3-10. How's that gold short position working our for you now?



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